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people expected to watch this first debate. it does air monday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. the place for politics. in just a couple of minutes, i'm going to talk to trump campaign senior adviser and former congressman jack kingston about how they're prepping for the big night and rick wade, a former senior adviser to president obama. we want to catch up on important news in charlotte. dramatic new developments there, a lot of coverage and discussion of the deadly encounter between police and keith lamont scott. officials changed course and just released portions of dash and body cam video, recorded by police on the scene. msnbc's gabe gutierrez is in charlotte. what did we learn from the brand-new video? >> ari, today, the carolina panthers are set to play a home game here amid heightened security. after several days of protests, police released portions of the video related to the shooting death of keith scott. we should warn you, they are graphic. and some view eers may find the
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disturbing. in the dash cam video, a uniformed officer arrives as backup, joins another officer, guns drawn at keith scott, inside the white suv. scott gets out, walks backwards, four shots ring out. body camera footage shows the uniformed officer trying to use his baton to break the passenger window when scott comes into view, his hands are at his side. this angle does not show the moment the shots are fired, but seconds later, his body is on the ground. police say two plain clothes officers were there to serve an arrest warrant to another man at this apartment complex. officers say scott parked next to them and rolled this blunt. they didn't think much of it, they say, until he held up a gun. >> the footage itself will not create in anyone's mind absolute certainty as to what this case represents and what the outcome should be. the footage only supports all of the other information. >> police say scott's dna and fingerprints are on the loaded
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gun found at the scene. they also say he was wearing this ankle holster. a freeze frame appears to show it. the new video one day after scott's wife leased this dramatic cell phone video. >> he has no weapon. don't shoot him. >> none of the recordings show scott pointing a weapon at officers. >> he's not aggressively moving towards law enforcement. he's actually doing the opposite. he's passively stepping back. >> this wasn't the first time the 43-year-old had a run-in with the law, involving a gun. more than a decade ago, he pleaded no contest to aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in texas. still, his family's lawyer say scott's delay in getting out of his vehicle doesn't justify his death. >> did you shoot him? did you shoot him! >> his brother-in-law says the videos leave more questions than answers. >> we shouldn't have to humanize him in order for him to be treated fairly. he was an american citizen who deserved better.
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>> overnight, there were peaceful protests here, some demonstrate irz ors upset that videos weren't released. but the police chief said he put all that was directly relevant to the shooting incident and says any more evidence would have to wait to be released until after the state bureau of investigation completes its review. ari? >> gabe gutierrez with that report. want to give you another big development update here, happening overnight, an intense manhunt about over 48 -- excuse me, 24 hours authorities in washington state arresting a suspect in the shooting deaths of five people at a macy's department store, north of seattle. witnesses say this video shows a 20-year-old being taken into custody, first spotted by an officer walking along the sidewalk. he's been identified as arcan cetin. he's scheduled to appear in court on monday. now we want to turn to the politics and the virtual dead heat in the race for the white house on the eve of this first presidential debate. take a look at this, a new abc
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news/washington post poll shows hillary clinton at 46, donald trump 44. pretty close. gary johnson at 5% and jill stein at negligible 1%. trump and clinton taking a break as you may have heard from their debate prep today and meeting separately with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu in new york city. >> one more reason why we're not seeing the tax returns, because he is deeply involved with russia oligarchs. >> he doesn't want his tax returns out there. >> why? >> what could trump's tax returns tell us? a lot. >> meanwhile, out of virginia rally yesterday, trump used the opening of the african-american museum in washington to make his plea to black and hispanic voters. >> we congratulate and honor those involved with the project and recognize today the
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incredible contributions of the african-american communities of this nation. many african-americans are succeeding so greatly in our country. and i will make sure their success is protected and supported. at the same time -- too many african-americans have been left behind and trapped in poverty. to those african-americans and hispanic folks, i say, vote for donald trump. what is happening to you? >> kelly o'donnell right here at hofstra with us, a preview of tomorrow night's debate and how everyone is getting ready. what are you hearing? >> well, good morning, ari. there is a little bit of that crisp fall air, and that tells us that we are in a very serious phase for this campaign season with the high expectations. some estimating as many as 100 million who will be watching this debate monday night, and all the different platforms
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where it can be seen. now, the candidates' differences we have seen play out during the campaign season are also quite evident in how they're preparing for this debate. from what we know from insiders, in trump world, he has taken a very different approach, kind of pushing aside the tradition of doing mock debates, where you have an opponent playing, your rival, and going through it like it was a dress rehearsal. trump not doing that, working with a close group of campaign officials, family and political advisers, running through questions. he also has a briefing book on all kinds of subject matter that has been prepared for him. and videotapes he can review to try to prepare in his own way. hillary clinton, very, very different, she has had a much more studious approach, more traditional approach, having lots of reading material, she's been working on the road and taking about four days of nonstop time to be able to do formal rehearsals, where they
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have set up sort of a mock debate with lecterns and staging and one of her long time aids from her years in the senate and state department playing donald trump. and that is kind of the sparring that we would expect advisers indicate she is planning for different kinds of trumps, a trump who will be usurpic and crass or crude with name calling or a trump who may put on a more statesman-like approach if he's trying to meet the threshold of being someone that many voters could see as being presidential. very different styles. and, of course, we also have seen a little pregame trash talk with various invitees with the clinton campaign having mark cuban, the billionaire, often big critic of donald trump, invited to attend, and trump coming back saying, gennifer flowers, a name from the '90s, someone a paramour of bill clinton's, saying he would invite her. flowers tweeting she would like to go, but we're not certain yet if that will really play out,
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but it is certainly needling before the big show. ari? >> a lot of needling, but not everything that happens on twitter stays on twitter. we'll have to watch for that. >> so true. >> thank you very much, kelly o'donnell as always. we turn now to politico's katie glick and molly hooper from the hill. let's pick up with the trash talking. how much of this is about trying to actually rattle people who are trying not to be rattled? is hillary clinton really going to get rattled by all of this sort of scuffle? skate katie, go ahead. >> great to be with you. certainly we are seeing these -- this needling happening on both sides. you know, our understanding is that hillary clinton is interested in perhaps going on offense when we're actually in the debate, so she's certainly looking at ways that she may be able to rattle donald trump on debate stage on the debate stage. obviously he's no stranger to also dishing out some jabs, certainly on twitter, and we're going to be looking to see
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whether that is something that plays out in the big moment. stirring up some interest in what is already a much anticipated debate night. we'll needling takes place on stage. >> what do you think about the sheer scale of this, something that has been discussed a lot. we're talking about what could be the most watched event in political history. which is not just a big deal to those of us in tv, who tend to keep track of that kind of thing, it is a big deal for a campaign where filtered and through ads and indirect mechanisms. what is the meaning of it if that many people tune in? how could it affect the race? >> it is interesting. if you think about how the campaigns have been run, hillary clinton is the one that has been putting out the campaign ads and she's been filtering a lot of this. didn't she just buy the house next door to her home in chappaqua? basically donald trump had the opposite. he has been playing to the
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audience. he's been unfiltered. the tweets he puts out even threatening to bring gennifer flowers who had an affair with bill clinton in the '90s, that was meant to get into hillary clinton's head. and, you know, it is interesting that the gennifer flower was the one mentioned because last night at the roanoke rally where donald trump appeared, one of the gentlemen introduce him, bob goodlatte brought up hillary clinton and bill clinton's past, you know, from the '90s, brought up the fact that bill clinton lied under oath, and actually brought the -- bill clinton's indiscretions of the past into the campaign at this moment, a moment when, you know, republicans have been waiting forever to hear republican candidate take on hillary clinton and bill clinton for their, you know what could be seen as indiscretions of the past. and so -- >> what is the take on -- how does it take on hillary clinton to talk about something her husband did? >> well, the thing is what bob
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goodlatte was trying to do is set up this pattern of lying, of perjury and bob goodlatte transitioned to benghazi. >> by whom? >> by bill and hillary. >> what perjury by hillary? >> and the fact that hillary clinton has -- >> but go ahead and answer the question. i'm curious, you're a journalist, you're referencing this, it seems to have become commonplace to assume that because bill clinton did things, which to many people are objectionable that she did them. what did she lie about? >> but that's the whole point. what i'm trying to say is that republicans have wanted to basically have somebody take on -- they wanted their presidential candidate to go after the clintons for, you know, various offenses that republicans have seen as offenses in the past. they wanted them -- their candidate to be strong and take on the clintons directly. and that just hasn't happened because that's not politics as usual. >> katie, what do you -- let me bring katie back in. what do you think about that?
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is there a risk of it backfiring if any of the trump emphasis seems to focus more on what some people might think of as the past or as nonhillary clinton issues if they're about other people? >> well, certainly. you know, hillary clinton looking back at her record of engaging in all kinds of debates, you know, over the years, often she does do well when -- this is something that republicans know well and are hoping doesn't happen, but when her opponent maybe does overstep the boundaries and maybe does move into territory that viewers think is going too far they view her as being unfairly attacked. this is something that republicans are very much aware of, they have seen this play out over her many years in public life, so certainly, you know, if donald trump is in fact looking to bring up bill clinton's past indiscretions, there is a risk there that that's going to be seen as maybe going too far as being out of bounds and maybe putting her unfairly under attack. that being said, it is certainly
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a period in time in which donald trump has referenced before. you got to think democrats are prepared for her to be put on the spot about that. >> all right, katie and molly, thank you both for joining this morning. up next, we'll look at how donald trump is preparing for this debate and is there any kind of expectations game or set of double standards as some have alleged. we'll ask a senior adviser about all of it and where the candidate has in fact done what we were just discussing and inviting jennifer glgennifer flt in on this one. msnbc, the place for politics. mom, i have to tell you something. dad, one second i was driving and then the next... they just didn't stop and then... i'm really sorry. i wrecked the subaru.
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welcome back. in 36 hours, hillary clinton and
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donald trump will take the stage right here at hofstra university in new york. this is, of course, their first head to head debate and expected to draw as many as 100 million viewers here in the united states. now, let's bring in jack kingston, former georgia congressman and now senior adviser to the trump campaign. good morning. how do you like your odds? >> it is going to be like when the beatles or elvis were on ed sullivan, people all over america will be watching. >> and what are they going to see from donald trump in your view that they may not have seen before? >> you never really know. because he is unpredictable. as you saw in the presidential primary debate, sometimes he was a little subdued, sometimes he was very aggressive. i think the stylistic differences between the two of them are remarkable. and then as you already discussed today, you got the psychological warfare that is going on behind the scenes. and then you also have the substantive argument, from my point of view, hillary clinton's going to know who the deputy
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prime minister of uzbekistan is, but on the other hand, if you haven't had a job for six months and you're middle aged, and middle america, you're saying, i want change and i want somebody who is going to create jobs. so there is going to be a lot of differences on a lot of different levels and i think that's why so many people are fascinated by this. >> well, i'm glad you brought up the deputy prime minister of uzbekistan, because that's something i also don't know. maybe nobody knows that. i'll put up the topics of the debate on the screen. domestic policy and it is described thusly, they sound vague, but so people know, america's direction is one of the topics, achieving prosperity, securing america, the third point i suppose could include national security and foreign policy to some degree, but they have been asked to focus on domestic policy. in your view, what sbeis the be thing for donald trump to bring up that works in his favor? >> i think jobs, jobs, jobs. he's a different kind of
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candidate, from outside of washington. washington has let down middle america, people who have seen their household income fall from 57 to $53,000 over the last 15 years. 94 million people underemployed or unemployed, lowest home ownership rate in, like, 30 or 40 years. 43 million people on food stamps. if we are happy with the economic trend we're on, you need to let hillary, because you'll get a third term, of barack obama's policies, but if you want change and somebody from outside washington who can't be bought, you need to vote for donald trump. >> the other piece in the primary, i'm sure you watched some of his primary debates, is that donald trump sort of was very reactive and that could be really good because you're kind of ready to go with whatever happens or it can be really bad if you don't have anything to react to. here is how the new york times put it in analyzing this. some trump advisers are concerned that he underestimates the difficulty of standing
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still, talking pointedly and listening sharply for 90 minutes and the primary debates he often receded into the background and jumped into the debate forcefully when attacked, some worrying if mrs. clinton surprises him, he'll be caught flat footed. that's attributed to the folks you work with on your team. there were times in those primary debates you remember where he didn't talk for 20 minutes because he didn't have anything that tickled him. can't do that in a one on one, right? >> you can't. this is a 90-minute marathon. you are -- i've done lots of debates and i've done it with multicandidates, one on one, you're emotionally and physically on edge anyhow, though these two candidates, you remember, hillary clinton has been somewhat running for president since 2007. before that, she was running for the senate, but before that, she was coaching her husband, so she's lived and breathed debates. on the other hand, donald trump is going through a grueling primary, he has been talking
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every day and connecting every day with american voters. and, of course, he has this great television background so the two are going to come at it with great experience, but not necessarily the same experience. and when you're on -- in a debate, sometimes you don't really know, if you think about rick lazio debating hillary clinton and walking from his podium to her podium to ask her to sign some papers, he stepped into her space and it was a high risk gamble and it proved to be not a good example, not a good play. so you got to be very careful in a debate, you can't be overly aggressive, but as you pointed out, sometimes it is not in your interest to lay back either, think about mitt romney when candy crowley inserted herself inside that debate. he did not push back a minute -- a bit and lost the point. as opposed to newt gingrich which he was running in south carolina, you know, he went out right out of the chute and attacked the moderator.
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so many different plays. >> you make a great point with romney, you make a great point, because after the fact there were so many republicans upset, they felt he had a good rebuttal had he been more aggressive already, given the background on that issue. but he just sort of let candy, you know, drop the mike. >> he did. and he looked weak and apologetic and such a golden opportunity that he let slip through his hands. think about newt gingrich in the debate when he attacked the moderator right off the bat, and kind of settled the questions. for the primary voters, the republicans, absolutely loved it. and he went on to win south carolina. so, you know, it is really -- it is very tough. you don't know when to turn the other cheek, so to speak, or when to hit back and hit back strong. and my dad's from brooklyn, new york, donald trump is very similar in the way that they're both aggressive. if you push me, i'm going to push you back. but as somebody who has debated female candidates before, i know you have to be a little bit more
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careful when you're a man debating a woman and that's just the way it is. you do not want to come on too strong, you cannot bully her. but, again, the stylistic differences between these two could be that, you know, he's appealing to one audience and they're loving it, she's appealing to another audience and they like that. so you -- that's that makes tomorrow night so exciting and that's why so many people are going to be watching. >> it is must watch. it is a must watch political event. thank you for joining. appreciate it. msnbc will carry the first presidential debate, 9:00 eastern. today, a special lineup. chris hayes, chris matthews and chuck todd, 5:00 eastern on msnbc after all of our daytime hofstra coverage. still ahead, we'll speak it the other side of the aisle, former adviser to president obama, and what hillary clinton should do. we'll live from hofstra university. stay with us.
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>> the kennedy/nixon debate, not a particular moment from the debate, but the entire setup of it. you have richard nixon, not feeling well, who is sweating, who looks pale, who looks pekid, a televised debate beaming through the living room of every household that had a tv and kennedy went ahead and chose to allow makeup to be applied to him. so you have kennedy, who has powder on, who looks great, who looks youthful and vigorous, versus nixon who looks really ill. and i think there was one of those moments in time when it is not something that nixon said that ended really his opportunity to beat jack kennedy, it was the fact that he didn't know how to play television. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card
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because if your eyes feel dry, itchy, gritty, or you have occasional blurry vision, it could be chronic dry eye. go to and feel the love. good morning and welcome back. i'm ari melber coming to you live from hofstra university, the site of tomorrow's first presidential debate. less than 36 hours to go, surrogates for clinton and trump taking to the airwaves already this sunday morning and they're firing off, of course, all of their attempts to shape expectations from the -- for the debate. this just from moments ago. >> is he planning on bringing up bill clinton's marital infidelity during the debate? >> there is no plan to do that. the fact is that he has every right to defend himself. >> i'm very concerned that donald trump will be graded on the -- on a curve. just because he doesn't fly off the handle in the middle of this
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debate. >> there you have it. some of the scuffling already under way and joining me is rick wade, former senior adviser to president obama. nice to see you here on site. >> thanks for having me. >> little excited, right? >> very exciting. >> you look at that exchange there, the clinton campaign has been saying for a long time that donald trump does get a different standard, the media gives him extra attention. but less fact checking and scrutiny. and then if he does okay, it is treated as a home run. does that do anything or does that just sound like complaining as you get ready for tomorrow? >> listen, it is real. we'll see tomorrow what we have seen before. donald trump in his natural element. he's a showman. he's a performer. he'll be on the stage competing for an emmy award. a bunch of lies and rhetoric and not speaking to the issues. and it is a double standard. i think we need to take the debate stage more seriously than that. this should be a chance for candidates to demonstrate their understanding of the issues, to
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talk about specific policies and proposals about how to move america forward. and in a command of -- in different knowledge and understanding expertise what it means to be president and commander in chief, we're in the going to see that tomorrow. we're going to see the showman, same performer we have seen over the last several months. >> on the clinton side, how do you think they are prepping for this? it is unlike a normal debate when you're with someone like trump and you underestimate him at your own peril, that happened to a lot of experience, republicans and the primary. >> sure, listen, i think our first lady said it best, let him go low and secretary clinton needs to stay high. you stay high and talk about her agenda, for improving america's economy, about addressing issues like isis, education, making it more affordable for our kids across the country, all the issues she's been talking about over the series of the last several months. and that has to be the approach. i think the american people are at the end of the day going to see that donald trump is not fit to be president, he doesn't have the temperament, he pops off at
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any given moment, he's reckless and erratic. that's not the kind of person that we want to be our commander in chief. >> how effective do you think it is to take the things that clinton campaign feels have not been resolved like taxes, and push them on him there. one of the interesting parts about the debate that makes it so different is the candidates can shape each other's responses. that's not the case normally. you throw out whatever you want. if the other side ignores it or the media moves on and that's one of the frustrations as you know, he'll complain to aides all the time he has a big policy speech or does something he thinks is important and that's not what he wants to talk about. if hillary clinton wants to do what she did in the new ad and say, well, maybe you're hidin your taxes because there is links to russia that you're afraid to be revealed, she can bring that up. do you think that's a wise strategy or does she have to sell her own side of the table better? >> she's going to do both. she's going to sell her own side of the table about how to make america stronger again. it is fair game, for her to
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raise those kinds of issues about the releasing of his taxes. i think also this is where lester holt has to play an important role in moderating and making sure that he's not getting away with the strategy of not address the at thddressi and being accountable. >> they have a very objective process there. but on the political side, you have the candidates saying they want all the moderators to sort of be more aggressive or do more fact checking, that's not typically actually been how moderators use the time. what is your view of that? >> i think it is a very important role of a moderator. we saw that in the last debate. where donald trump was able to get away with grossly flagrant lies and that can't happen. and i think -- >> you think that comes down to the moderators or the other candidates who -- >> both. i think it is on the one hand important for the candidate in this case, secretary clinton, to challenge him on the issues, but
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important for the moderator to moderate and make sure he's pushing and driving for what truly is a factual answer in these conversations. >> you're reflecting what we heard from democrats, very different views now about what the role of the moderator based on the two candidates we have. rick wade, thank you for joining us here. >> good to be with you. >> fantastic. a story about african-americans and all americans up next, we're going to talk to the director of the african-american history museum and culture about their new museum. also, coming up next hour, doris kearns goodwin as hillary clinton's role as the first woman to take the stage in a general election presidential debate. live from hofstra university on long island, all day. keep it locked right here on msnbc.
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it is central to the american story. our glory derives not just from our most obvious triumphs, but how we rested triumph from tragedy. >> this is more than a building. it is a dream come true. all the voices for centuries have found their home here, in this great monument. our pain, our suffering, and our victory. >> president obama as well as civil rights icon congressman john louis speaking at the opening ceremony just yesterday for the smithsonian national museum of african-american history and culture. it is the culmination of really more than a century of work that dates back to 1915, when a group of african-american civil war veterans went tolob ying for their own memorial. happy to bring in lonnie bunch
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to join us this morning. good morning. >> good morning. >> you look at this, look at history of congressman louis who we showed there introducing this bill, every year in congress. a long time coming. we should know president george w. bush ultimately signed it into law. and now it is as the kids say a thing. talk to us about that history and why that matters. >> i think it is so important because ultimately what this museum will do will not only help us look back, not only help us remember the amazing stories and this amazing history, but also help us all realize that as the president said, this is the quintessential american story, this is the story that shaped us all. that's so important to me and that's what this bill allows us to do. >> when you look at this history at a time where race is back in the conversation, quite a bit, what lessons if any are there in the history that you are directing and presenting to the controversies that exist today.
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i'll take one example, there was a lot of debate about interracial marriage, through that debate, that issue has been settled and nobody thinks there should be laws against it anymore. you look today at charlotte, where there is debates over when and how videos should be released or whether african-americans are treated differently in policing. there is no consensus. your thoughts? >> well, i think it is important to realize that what history does, it contextualizes it, helps you understand these are in many ways not new issues, but they should give us confidence that over time when people of goodwill come together, when people push and demand for change, that america has changed. and that ultimately it is still a work in progress, but for me, what i hope history gives you is a sense of activism and commitment to say it is your job to struggle to help make america live up to its stated ideals. that's the joy of looking back at african-american history. >> i wonder what is your favorite artifact in the museum?
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>> like asking me to pick my child, right? i think for me, what is wonderful is that there is a freedom paper by a man named joseph trammell, and he knew his freedom was dependent on him keeping that paper so he made a tin -- and put that paper in it to make sure it would never be destroyed. i thought to myself, we talk about freedom. but to realize a single piece of paper, a single artifact was so important to a family's future, i love that small artifact. >> wow. i like that. let me ask you the question that some critics put forward, this comes up on campuses too, what do you say to people who question, wait, why do we need a history for a certain part of america? why shouldn't this all be rolled into the great smithsonian museums that already exist and distributed out separately? >> i think first of all what is important to realize is that this is not an african-american museum for african-americans. this is a museum that says let
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us use african-american culture as a lens to better understand what it means to be an american. so this is not something that separates, what it does is use a particular focus to help us understand our notions of freedom, of citizenship, of optimism, of resiliency, so, for me, this is really the best way to understand america to say, here is another door into understanding what america's identity is about. >> got it. that makes sense. congratulations on this and thanks for telling us about it. >> thank you. my pleasure. appreciate it. >> fantastic. up next, we'll talk about the big personalities, the different strategies, a look at, yes, the expectations game for the candidates and, of course, the raucous debate itself. we're live from hofstra university on long island. the two nominees squaring off right here tomorrow night, we got more for you on the place for politics, msnbc. ♪
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welcome back. you're watching msnbc's live special coverage here at hofstra university where the debate starts tomorrow night. it will attract a massive, perhaps record-breaking audience. there are experts saying up to 100 million people may watch this showdown between clinton and trump. now, how does it look out there? a new washington post/abc news poll confirming this heightnd interest in the debate, 74% of people saying they will watch it. not everyone does what they say they're going to do. but that's a lot. 47% think clinton is going to win. 33% give the nod to trump, back to the expectations game we have been talking about. so we are very excited to show you everything we have coming up. right now, i want to bring in jonathan altar, msnbc political analyst and columnist for "the daily beast" and jennifer rubin who is in washington, opinion writer for "the washington post." jennifer, you are often identified as a conservative. but you wrote a tough piece about donald trump and his five faces at the clinton campaign, at least in their view would like to expose.
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we put them up on the screen and you can walk us through them. you talk about the misogynist, angry, no nothing, exploitive and racist trump. tell us what you mean. >> well, i think thesewell, i t qualities that donald trump has exhibited throughout the campaign, and you can trace his statements and hillary clinton's ads exploring these, and i think the -- i don't want to call it game, but i think the challenge for hillary clinton is to make sure that the audience sees the real donald trump, not a restricted teleprojected contained donald trump but who he really is, and that's going to be difficult because i think he'll be on his best behavior. otherwise this thing is going to turn into a circus, and i do think she has the advantage of some recent developments in the news, including revelations about his foundation, including revelations about his connections to russia. certainly this ridiculous outreach that he has conducted with african-americans,
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hispanics that has really been more insulting than outreach, all of these i think are things that sort of tilt the conversation in her favor. >> well, jonathan, how about that, when you look at a debate. it can sort of be like meeting the in-laws, you know. you get really potentially the best, best, best behaved donald trump you're ever going to see, and yet as we've been emphasizing because it's so politically important, that may be what most people see if they are not political junkies. >> most people have not been paying attention to this election. they are busy in their own lives, so if donald trump gets in there and sounds reasonable, he sounds like he's at least somewhat informed on policy questions, a lot of his people think that he won the debate. and, you know, the most disturbing part of that new "washington post"/abc news poll that shows it dead even really relates to the -- the last
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election, 2012, so right now nine in ten of the people who voted for mitt romney are intending to vote for donald trump, so a lot of jennifer's fellow republicans, they have already come home to trump, whereas only eight in ten of obama voters say that they are going to vote for hillary clinton, so she has work to do amazingly enough in shoring up the democratic base, and she needs to also get at those republicans like jennifer who are skeptical of donald trump because right now they are inclined to vote for him, so she's got her work cut out for her. >> right. jennifer, you look at jonathan's point and you look also in that abc poll at where the gaps are. we can put this up on the screen. on the trust questions on different issues. you basically find they are deadlocked on a host of big issues and domestic policy. the only place you see hillary clinton break out is on an international crisis.
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who do you trust more? she's up 12 points and abortion and gay marriage she's up 54-33. go to the next slide. it's not this one, but on the next one you'll see the breakdown where, yeah, the bottom of the screen, 52-40 and 452-43. those are the only two places, and internationally that's not the focus of tomorrow's debate but a place where people don't know what they would get from trump. are you surprised at all that everything else is so deadlocked? >> i am, and obviously this is one poll. it's one which my paper has taken part in, but actually if you look across the range of polls that we've seen in the last week, this is a little bit of an outlier on the republican issue and a lot of polls, you'll see the republican vote around 80%, about where hillary clinton is in that poll. she's been making a fairly concerted outreach and i think successfully so in trying to woo over college-educated whites, college-educated republicans, who are horrified by donald trump, and i think she's going
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to continue to do that. i think the debate can help her in that regard if she does come across as the one who is informed and donald trump continues with his sort of ridiculous policy ideas and kind of are nonsense. i think hillary clinton has the ability to in light of events like charlotte, events like missouri, ferguson, missouri, to say, listen, we don't need a president who is going to make our approximate worse, who is going to pull us apart, and in that way i think she can appeal to the desire of a lot of people, black, white, democrat, republican, that they are really sick of this horrible divisiveness, that anger that we are so at each other's throats that we can't even get to the policy issues, the actual issues that concern americans. so i think if she can come across as conciliatory, operate on a high level without seeming condescending, i think she can do herself a lot of good in this debate. >> jonathan, you've covered so many of these, and you're familiar with the process.
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i have to say, just as an observer, i find it amazing and bizarre, if true, that donald trump really isn't doing practice. what do you make of that, that he's not doing actual mock debates? >> he's not doing mock debates but he's working it through this weekend. he's getting a lot of advice from roger ailes and memorizing one-liners, what they call zingers to use against hillary clinton, and i think their model is 1980 when ronald reagan surprised a lot of people by seeming presidential in his debate with jimmy carter, and also 2000 when george w. bush didn't do as well on the issues as al gore, but they got al gore to kind of sigh and seem exasperated, and so on the optics of the debate bush seemed to win, and they are also betting heavily on the expectations game, so it's really -- it's up to the press here to not fall prey to these
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expectations and actually say who did a better job on substance, on policy, on the issues that the united states faces. >> you know your way -- but, jonathan, you know your way around a green room and a tv studio. >> spin room. >> the pundits' favorite thing is to say be that as it may donald trump exsealeded the expectations that he would be rude and terrible. >> so here's the key thing for people who are scoring this debate to not do it as theater critics. >> right. >> we're not electing a reality star here, although we might. we're talking about who has a better grasp on the day-to-day responsibilities of being president. united states, who has a sense. issues that's more in tune with where the public is right now and i think that would favor hillary. if you go down the issues more americans agree with her on most of these concerns. >> right. >> so she has to keep it
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substantive but also press the attack on things like his taxes. >> got it. jonathan alter, and jennifer rubin, we're out of time. i'm ari melber. you can always find me on twitter @arimelber. don't go anywhere. happy to tell you my colleague joy reid live with a special edition of "a.m. joy." among her guests, congressman elijah cummings, "a.m. joy" and i'll see you back here later today. i love my shop,
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